Comments on: Where does God stand on health care? http://www.thehardtruths.com/2010/02/08/where-does-god-stand-on-health-care/ Hard Truths with Phil Heimlich “seeks the difficult answers where they can best be found: through the pages of history; through our own common sense; and most importantly, in the Word of God.” Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:19:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Find Friends http://www.thehardtruths.com/2010/02/08/where-does-god-stand-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-2932 Find Friends Fri, 25 Jun 2010 23:05:55 +0000 http://www.thehardtruths.com/?p=768#comment-2932 Wonderful insight:-) Wonderful insight:-)

]]> By: What would Jesus say? http://www.thehardtruths.com/2010/02/08/where-does-god-stand-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-2552 What would Jesus say? Wed, 07 Apr 2010 05:03:26 +0000 http://www.thehardtruths.com/?p=768#comment-2552 Medicare did help make health care more affordable for seniors. How can you talk about scipture and think that Jesus would think it was OK to let poor old ladies suffer and die because they can't afford the most expensive health care costs in the world? Medicare is very popular because it helps those in need. This worship of the free market would be very troubling to Jesus. The Free Market simply means the almighty dollar reigns supreme. Government needs to prtotect the least among us. How many people died from bad meat sold by a rotten industry before the FDA? How many people have been saved by seat belts because of government regulations? How many children used to work in dangerous factories before government stepped in? Medicare did help make health care more affordable for seniors. How can you talk about scipture and think that Jesus would think it was OK to let poor old ladies suffer and die because they can’t afford the most expensive health care costs in the world? Medicare is very popular because it helps those in need. This worship of the free market would be very troubling to Jesus.

The Free Market simply means the almighty dollar reigns supreme. Government needs to prtotect the least among us. How many people died from bad meat sold by a rotten industry before the FDA? How many people have been saved by seat belts because of government regulations? How many children used to work in dangerous factories before government stepped in?

]]> By: sizzix big shot http://www.thehardtruths.com/2010/02/08/where-does-god-stand-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-2475 sizzix big shot Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:21:26 +0000 http://www.thehardtruths.com/?p=768#comment-2475 I normally bounce all over the web because I have the tendancy to read often (which isn't always a great idea because the majority of sites just copy from each other) but I want to say that yours contains some great substance! Thanks for stopping the trend of just being another copycat site! ;-) I normally bounce all over the web because I have the tendancy to read often (which isn’t always a great idea because the majority of sites just copy from each other) but I want to say that yours contains some great substance! Thanks for stopping the trend of just being another copycat site! ;-)

]]> By: VanGo http://www.thehardtruths.com/2010/02/08/where-does-god-stand-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-2465 VanGo Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:18:54 +0000 http://www.thehardtruths.com/?p=768#comment-2465 Who would Jesus deny health care to? The primary duty of our government is to protect its citizens from enemies. Greedy insurance companies are more of a threat to this country than even Osama Bin Laden. This current health care bill is surely an inadequate vessel. It has been gutted to get something, anything passed. Hopefully, over the years, it will be refined into something that will better benefit the American citizens who are literally dying for lack of health care every day in this country. Who would Jesus deny health care to? The primary duty of our government is to protect its citizens from enemies. Greedy insurance companies are more of a threat to this country than even Osama Bin Laden. This current health care bill is surely an inadequate vessel. It has been gutted to get something, anything passed. Hopefully, over the years, it will be refined into something that will better benefit the American citizens who are literally dying for lack of health care every day in this country.

]]> By: Steve Schulte http://www.thehardtruths.com/2010/02/08/where-does-god-stand-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-2427 Steve Schulte Mon, 08 Mar 2010 02:46:13 +0000 http://www.thehardtruths.com/?p=768#comment-2427 Matthew Miller hits the nail on the head. Throughout the new testament, Christ advocates the VOLUNTARY giving as a Christ like way of life. When the rich man asked Christ what he needs to do to follow Him, Christ replied to give up all his worldly possessions and follow Him. This was too much for the rich man and he walked away. Did Christ command his disciplines to follow this rich man back to his home, and under threat of sword, take his excess riches to "help the poor?" Did he command Caesar to do the same? No, He allowed the rich man to exercise one of the greatest gifts from God, free will, even the freedom to reject Christ. Yes, we all have a duty and an oblication to be great stewards for our fellow man; this can only be accomplished and sustained through VOLUNTARY CHARITY based upon LOVE AND COMPASSION toward our fellow man, not the coercion, deception, guilt, lies, backroom deals, payoffs with taxpayer money, and sinful envy that drives obese government entitlement programs, such as governmental health care. And if you have so little faith in your family, friends, neighbors and fellow people that you feel it is justified to use coercion and violence, the only tools of government, to force people "to do good," why turn our entire incomes and lives over to politicians and bureaucrats to make sure we make the right decisions and avoid the wrong decisions? Lastly, do you really think that when you arrive at the pearly gates of heaven that your 1040 will be a key to allow you to enter? I think not, for what is in your heart is what matters. Is there something government can do to significantly increase access to good medical care for all Americans? Yes, get out of the way by replacing political maniupulation with market regulation, repeal government mandates and insurance cartels, replace government licensing of doctors with private licensing, replace the FDA with private safety firms (example Underwriters Laboratories), cut taxes AND spending, wind down all government entitlements programs that have failed, etc, etc. If there is one thing the last forty years of oppressive government manipulation of our health care system should teach use is to NEVER, NEVER, NEVER trust anyone says "let the government have more power, responsibility, and money to solve "X" problem. Medicare was passed on the promise to make health care more affordable and accessible for senior systems - NOT. Matthew Miller hits the nail on the head. Throughout the new testament, Christ advocates the VOLUNTARY giving as a Christ like way of life. When the rich man asked Christ what he needs to do to follow Him, Christ replied to give up all his worldly possessions and follow Him. This was too much for the rich man and he walked away. Did Christ command his disciplines to follow this rich man back to his home, and under threat of sword, take his excess riches to “help the poor?” Did he command Caesar to do the same? No, He allowed the rich man to exercise one of the greatest gifts from God, free will, even the freedom to reject Christ.
Yes, we all have a duty and an oblication to be great stewards for our fellow man; this can only be accomplished and sustained through VOLUNTARY CHARITY based upon LOVE AND COMPASSION toward our fellow man, not the coercion, deception, guilt, lies, backroom deals, payoffs with taxpayer money, and sinful envy that drives obese government entitlement programs, such as governmental health care. And if you have so little faith in your family, friends, neighbors and fellow people that you feel it is justified to use coercion and violence, the only tools of government, to force people “to do good,” why turn our entire incomes and lives over to politicians and bureaucrats to make sure we make the right decisions and avoid the wrong decisions?
Lastly, do you really think that when you arrive at the pearly gates of heaven that your 1040 will be a key to allow you to enter? I think not, for what is in your heart is what matters.
Is there something government can do to significantly increase access to good medical care for all Americans? Yes, get out of the way by replacing political maniupulation with market regulation, repeal government mandates and insurance cartels, replace government licensing of doctors with private licensing, replace the FDA with private safety firms (example Underwriters Laboratories), cut taxes AND spending, wind down all government entitlements programs that have failed, etc, etc. If there is one thing the last forty years of oppressive government manipulation of our health care system should teach use is to NEVER, NEVER, NEVER trust anyone says “let the government have more power, responsibility, and money to solve “X” problem. Medicare was passed on the promise to make health care more affordable and accessible for senior systems – NOT.

]]> By: Phil Heimlich http://www.thehardtruths.com/2010/02/08/where-does-god-stand-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-2339 Phil Heimlich Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:35:46 +0000 http://www.thehardtruths.com/?p=768#comment-2339 Matthew, Those are pretty strong arguments - I'm impressed. I would still say that given the many verses that encourage us to heal the sick, we have an obligation, one way or another, to ensure that those who are ill receive adequate care. Currently, there are many hardworking people who can't get coverage because of preexisting conditions - these folks are either not being treated or are going bankrupt because of medical bills. To simply let this happen does not seem consistent with scripture. I totally agree with your opinion of Ron Paul - he is a true visionary and prophetic in many ways. Matthew,

Those are pretty strong arguments – I’m impressed. I would still say that given the many verses that encourage us to heal the sick, we have an obligation, one way or another, to ensure that those who are ill receive adequate care. Currently, there are many hardworking people who can’t get coverage because of preexisting conditions – these folks are either not being treated or are going bankrupt because of medical bills. To simply let this happen does not seem consistent with scripture. I totally agree with your opinion of Ron Paul – he is a true visionary and prophetic in many ways.

]]> By: Phil Heimlich http://www.thehardtruths.com/2010/02/08/where-does-god-stand-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-2338 Phil Heimlich Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:23:28 +0000 http://www.thehardtruths.com/?p=768#comment-2338 John, I respect your diligence in reading those bills. I'm not necessarily saying the current House and Senate bills are the right way to go, but I do think we have a biblical obligation to ensure people receive adequate medical care, regardless of what the actual number of uninsured is. John,

I respect your diligence in reading those bills. I’m not necessarily saying the current House and Senate bills are the right way to go, but I do think we have a biblical obligation to ensure people receive adequate medical care, regardless of what the actual number of uninsured is.

]]> By: Matthew Miller http://www.thehardtruths.com/2010/02/08/where-does-god-stand-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-2332 Matthew Miller Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:50:06 +0000 http://www.thehardtruths.com/?p=768#comment-2332 I agree with the principle that there is a lot of hypocrisy among those who are opposing the healthcare bill. Your previous entry about the Republican Prescription Drug bill is another example of this. However, your argument that government should provide healthcare is totally fallacious. The scripture you quoted says that the poor should be treated FAIRLY. Being treated fairly doesn't mean that you are entitled to free goods or services from the government. The Bible also warns that you should not treat the poor better at the expense of others. (Exodus 23:3) There are no government entitlement programs in scripture whatsoever. Its sole purpose is to secure the peace of the society by punishing violent criminals, thieves, and other rights violators. That is the reason why we are supposed to obey the civil authorities, pay taxes (Romans 13:1-7, I Peter 2:13-17), and pray for them (I Timothy 2:1-4). Why does it nowhere say that we should pay taxes to help the poor, pray for those in civil authority to help the poor, or obey them so that they can more easily help the poor? The Bible clearly teaches that giving should not be done under compulsion (II Corinthians 9:7), but this is what you are clearly advocating. What if someone refused to pay their taxes because they didn’t want their money to go toward treating someone else’s medical conditions which were caused by their own poor choices (unhealthy eating, smoking, drug abuse, or whatever)? You would have such a person put in jail? I thought you didn’t like policies which fill up prisons. You think that you can do good by threatening and coercing people to good. It has never worked and never will. And when the government provides these services, which are unauthorized by scripture, they are overall not doing the poor any favors. They become too dependent on government instead of on Christ for their needs. What you are saying is totally opposed to the philosophy of our Founding Fathers. Their most quoted book other than the Bible was “The Two Treatises of Government” by John Locke. You should read this book (especially Book II) and find out what America is really all about! And not all of the Republicans are hypocrites in this matter. There is one congressman who opposes it, opposed the Bush Prescription Drug plan, Medicare, and all the rest and who does NOT participate in the lucrative congressional benefits program which most other congressman receive. This man is Ron Paul. I agree with the principle that there is a lot of hypocrisy among those who are opposing the healthcare bill. Your previous entry about the Republican Prescription Drug bill is another example of this.

However, your argument that government should provide healthcare is totally fallacious. The scripture you quoted says that the poor should be treated FAIRLY. Being treated fairly doesn’t mean that you are entitled to free goods or services from the government. The Bible also warns that you should not treat the poor better at the expense of others. (Exodus 23:3)

There are no government entitlement programs in scripture whatsoever. Its sole purpose is to secure the peace of the society by punishing violent criminals, thieves, and other rights violators. That is the reason why we are supposed to obey the civil authorities, pay taxes (Romans 13:1-7, I Peter 2:13-17), and pray for them (I Timothy 2:1-4). Why does it nowhere say that we should pay taxes to help the poor, pray for those in civil authority to help the poor, or obey them so that they can more easily help the poor?

The Bible clearly teaches that giving should not be done under compulsion (II Corinthians 9:7), but this is what you are clearly advocating. What if someone refused to pay their taxes because they didn’t want their money to go toward treating someone else’s medical conditions which were caused by their own poor choices (unhealthy eating, smoking, drug abuse, or whatever)? You would have such a person put in jail? I thought you didn’t like policies which fill up prisons. You think that you can do good by threatening and coercing people to good. It has never worked and never will.

And when the government provides these services, which are unauthorized by scripture, they are overall not doing the poor any favors. They become too dependent on government instead of on Christ for their needs. What you are saying is totally opposed to the philosophy of our Founding Fathers. Their most quoted book other than the Bible was “The Two Treatises of Government” by John Locke. You should read this book (especially Book II) and find out what America is really all about!

And not all of the Republicans are hypocrites in this matter. There is one congressman who opposes it, opposed the Bush Prescription Drug plan, Medicare, and all the rest and who does NOT participate in the lucrative congressional benefits program which most other congressman receive. This man is Ron Paul.

]]> By: John Hesselbrock http://www.thehardtruths.com/2010/02/08/where-does-god-stand-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-2325 John Hesselbrock Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:24:08 +0000 http://www.thehardtruths.com/?p=768#comment-2325 The health care bill - I have read both houses' bills twice - contain so much nonsense and do nothing to solve anything except put people who can't run their own lives in control of 1/6 of the spending. By the way, 46 million is vastly overstated and it is closer to 12-16 million persons being uninsured and many of those are at their own request. The health care bill – I have read both houses’ bills twice – contain so much nonsense and do nothing to solve anything except put people who can’t run their own lives in control of 1/6 of the spending. By the way, 46 million is vastly overstated and it is closer to 12-16 million persons being uninsured and many of those are at their own request.

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